12/8/14

High Priestly Hyper Calvinist Twisting Shenanigans

John 17 is commonly referred to as the High Priestly Prayer of Jesus. In it, there are some phrases spoken by Christ that Hyper Calvinism wrenches from the prayer and reads way more into them that what is actually said by Christ, thereby forcing their theology onto the text of Holy Scripture.

The specific verse to which I refer is John 17:9, which states: I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.

To the High or Hyper Calvinist, they then read much more into this verse than what is actually there. They see this verse and say: See! Christ only prays for the elect alone and not for the world. In fact, He never prays for the world and always only prays for the elect!

But that is a major amount of assumption here; the Scripture in question here simply does not say that. This passage simply is recording a prayer of Christ. In this specific prayer, He certainly is praying not for the world. But it does not follow that He never prays for the world - He simply did not do so in this specific prayer.

We can especially see the error in this interpretation when we look at other Scriptures from the same Bible. For instance,

1 Timothy 2:1-4: First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Surely, we would not be commanded to pray for those whom Christ refused to pray for, right?

And what about Luke 23:34?

And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” And they cast lots to divide his garments.

I've seen High Calvinists deal with this text in two ways. The first way is to claim that it is a textual variant and that passage might not really be part of Holy Scripture. The second way I've seen is that they will claim that the ones Christ is praying for on the cross are elect. Yet, the text gives no indication of this one way or another.

Neither of these manners of dealing with the text are convincing enough to explain away the plain reading of Scripture here. The simple text is recording that Christ prayed for His persecutors while on the cross.

Calvinists also employ this exact way of thinking when doing exegesis on atonement passages.

John 10:11, 14-15: I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep...I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.

The argument made here is identical to the twisting job used in John 17. They read that Jesus laid down His life for the sheep, and surmise that this means that He did not lay down His life for the goats. i.e. Jesus died only for the sheep, and none else.

But again in this text, Jesus never says that He did not die for the goats. And this is especially relevant when we see that the Scriptures have numerous other texts that say that He died for the whole world (which ends up being described not in terms of individuals - which means 'whole world' does not mean every single person.) 1 John 2:2 is normative here:

1 John 2:2: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

So here we have two clear examples where Calvinist logic and reason is disproved by logic and reason; allowing the Scriptures to speak for themselves.

Kinda makes these interpretations illogical and unreasonable, don't you think? More so, they are direct denials of God's Word in some places.

+Grace and Peace+

5 comments:

  1. Good post. They read exclusivity into a passage so that it gels with their theology, agreed. When I was a Calvinist, I didn't know what to do with 1 John 2:2. It really is a form of Scripture twisting, when it comes down to it. All for the purpose of making sure YOU aren't sure whether Christ died or you or not. Well, that's not their intention obviously, but that's where it always ends up....bringing in doubt where there isn't any.

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  2. What I usually did with 1 John 2:2 as a Calvinist was to interpret it as "He is the propitiation for our sins (the Jewish believers)...and also for the whole world (all believers from all nations).

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    1. Why is that wrong? Since we have no evidence that Christ prayed for every single person in the world, stated that he didn't pray for the whole world in John 17 (ironic not to pray for those for whom he allegedly died), why do we continue to take pot shots at Calvinists form behind the inadequate parapet of paradox? Both Lutheran and Calvinist theology contain paradoxes, so why all the fuss of those of our opponents?

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  3. The point is that Scripture does not say that Christ never prays for the world. Likewise, He also commands us to do so (1 Tim 2).

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  4. Good post here.

    Kirk, Jesus did pray for the whole world. He prayed in vs. 21 that they may believe. This is praying for them no less than when he did from the cross for his crucifiers.

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